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    "Non-Traditional" NDE's

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    "Non-Traditional" NDE's

    Post  Dave T on Wed May 16, 2012 8:08 am

    Hi
    Maybe it's just me in need of some "sensitivity" training, but this phrase "non-traditional" is really beginning to get my goat.
    It seems today we have "Christian" NDE's which are "traditional" ones...grrrr.....(standard)...and then wee have us fallen "bent" NDE'rs...who are "different", who are communist, athiests...etc...and that we need to "get over" whatever it is we have against lord Jesus...
    When exactly did the "Christian NDE" become the STANDARD, from which all other NDE's are judged ?
    When did all of a sudden I became "non-traditional", like there's something "wrong" with that.

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    Post  Admin on Wed May 16, 2012 11:30 am

    I love the fact that I didn't have the traditional programming of religion before I died. No hell, No heaven, No infinite dictators. That experience gave my life back to me in more ways than one.

    Living amongst the programmed can be difficult, Dave. Hang in there!

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    Post  Dravak on Wed May 16, 2012 12:23 pm

    Cause the church need money , don´t worry .. look forget about that rubbishe of christian NDE , it should be humanity NDE ...

    But since they have the money , need to invent a new bribe your way to heaven Wink

    there is nothing to do but laugh at the situation .
    Let people do what they want , in the end it is not worth the trouble.
    In the end if you went to the light , that is the most important.

    Let them do what they want , training basically nobody needs training.
    They just need to listen to one and other , and learn to accept one and other .
    No matter the differences in religion background philosophy .
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    Post  Dave T on Wed May 16, 2012 1:36 pm

    i couldn't agree more Dravek...Love is based on acceptance...not judgment

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    Re: "Non-Traditional" NDE's

    Post  DUK on Wed May 16, 2012 2:46 pm

    I think this part of the reason also why that most of the science community do not take the subject of NDEs very seriously. From what I can get from most "Christian" NDEs the person that it is happening to normally assumes religious figures!? They don't always (if at all) come forward and say "I am Jesus" or "I am st. paul" or do they?

    Not that I want to die in the slightest but I do wonder what I would get from an NDE? Would I see Jesus, I doubt it? I think of Jesus like this: If he did exist he was no more than a Lady Gaga of his time a celebrity of his time imo. I count myself as very "agnostic" and try to keep my mindset towards such things as neutral as possible.

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    Post  Dravak on Wed May 16, 2012 4:41 pm

    Science is a hard subject , what in theorie is workable .. still needs to be proven in reality .

    And with science , you tell a scientist 100 years ago , we would fly to the moon and back , he would laugh at you .
    When planes were not even common yet .

    For science to explain or accept NDE , it is too difficult .
    Look if the euphoria can be replicated trough any means .
    Drugs whatever , then they have a explanation .

    Now they don´t know , since there is no proof , other then a lot of people
    Have been there and back .

    The problem with christian NDE is atleast they get support, when a person is isolated , it is very hard to stay on the conviction or belief.
    Especially when the surrounding doesn´t accept NDE ..
    Example I rather have them have support from the church , then they feeing lost.

    Just that others without real experience of NDE start promoting it, in name of christ and religion , nothing we can do .
    Look just accept there version , it might not be the truth .
    But there is nothing to gain from it , just they need to show there true colors and accept everybody can have NDE , not only christians.

    What you get from NDE itself is euphoria , tranquility or basically selfjudgement in extreme ..
    Some get the void that is oblivion , most other get the light .
    How the whole thing works in the end , nobody knows .
    Just that the feeling at this moment cannot be replicated trough any means .

    So science says it is a brainsafety , but if it is like that . then it wouldn´t explain the difference of NDE or visions or family or whatever.

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    Post  Dravak on Wed May 16, 2012 4:46 pm

    But like all things , it is only a opnion or what I have gone trough.
    Not facts , so everything is debatable .
    Don´t think there is one universal truth about NDE , but more important what you accept as the truth , and make your life more bearable or get you back on track in reality Smile

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    Post  Admin on Wed May 16, 2012 4:54 pm

    Science has its dogmas, and it really shouldn't as it's a tool that we use to understand our world, and that's it.

    I wouldn't want false support as in if I had a hallucination I wouldn't want people telling me it was the truth. I think that it's important to validate our experiences even if only to ourselves. If I had met Jesus, I'd want to know everything possible about Jesus, and that would include the probability that he never existed.

    Should we support schizophrenia if it's beneficial to the rest of us, or maybe just the French?

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    Post  Dravak on Thu May 17, 2012 9:09 am

    Cleo , sometimes I wish you wouldn´t represent the hatred so much .

    You know that hatred is consuming , sorry I know if anybody else said it .
    You probaly will rant away , and even now I probaly will rant .

    But fighting hate with hate , serves nobody any purpose.
    Cause christianity without NDE experience , is proclaiming there vision.
    Christian NDEer are in there rights to interpetate there vision there way they want , it is majority people who didn´t had NDE .
    That proclaim the Jesus , God version , infact often if you ask them .
    Pass that point they would say , they get joined into the light .
    Past present future ... are meaningless , they often will come back and say , this is the source of all religion .

    For that it is true , NDEer who saw the light , will create a something of a following themself . the calm manners , the radiance , the charisma.

    Sure we look so special , are special , that in today society is not accepted , nobody wants to hear tales how well people do .
    Cause if there is a person on this world without problems , 99% will say drop dead please in there head , pure out of envy .
    And in a way everybody has there own problems , including me .
    There is no ultimate perfection , think anita can attess for that too .

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    Post  Admin on Thu May 17, 2012 1:33 pm

    It's the fact that it's a lie, Dravak. I should clarify that statement and say that our minds manifestations can be lies.

    Sure, there's nders that have experienced all sorts of manifestations. Like I mentioned before, we had a lady that went on the starship enterprise and met Captain Kirk.

    If they all realized that they are manifesting and it's not the real deal, than no problem, but I assure you, it aint like that on most occassions.

    I have a nder neighbor that I don't associate with, because he's the one that told a child nder that I was particularly close to that the light was the devil and he was going to hell for not believing in Jesus,.. an he's a fricken nder! His mind lied to him, and now he goes around supporting this religion. Does he look for deeper meaning? NO. He knows that it's all about Jesus and that's it, end of story. He walks away if you ask him what did Jesus look like, or almost anything else.

    Now, can you imagine that Muslim nders are probably doing the same? Jewish nders?

    You seem to think that we all experienced the same thing, but the fact seems to be that we didn't. In order to do that, we would all have to go with a clean slate or the same garbage.

    Btw, I don't consider myself hateful at all, but definitely truthful, as I know that this is an open book. Very Happy

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    Post  Admin on Thu May 17, 2012 1:40 pm

    I should perhaps mention that this guy's wife is awesome and so sweet, but she allows herself to be dominated.

    Their son, well, their son I had hope for as he graduated at the top of his class and is now going for his PHD in physics, but he seems to have taken on his dad's anal retentive qualities. He honestly believes that demons have taken over the planet. affraid Poor kid. Talk about child abuse,... geezus!

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    Re: "Non-Traditional" NDE's

    Post  Dravak on Thu May 17, 2012 5:05 pm

    Cleo the problem is that maybe if you are stronger in your own conviction.
    Then whatever the rest of the world says , doesn´t matter ..

    That guy can rant about jesus all he want , but when the day comes.
    He doesn´t face jesus , he faces himself even if it looks like jesus.

    Sorry it is ignorance like that , he doesn´t understand .
    See that is the whole thing , and them lashing out .
    With "stupidity" is simply them not able to cope with it .

    What you should do Cleo , is just accept you had yours .
    And it is yours , no matter what others say .

    Smile look don´t be angry , don´t assume , don´t zone , just read what I wrote here , if confusing , if failing , read it again till you say .
    NO or YES or MAYBE ...

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    Re: "Non-Traditional" NDE's

    Post  Admin on Thu May 17, 2012 5:36 pm

    Well, as my husband said "your passion scares some people and is addicting to others". Laughing

    I admit that I tend to get passionate about subjects and am willing to fight for what I feel is right (the way I would like to see the world). I suppose if none of us were willing to stand up to what we see as unjust or a lie, then the human race would've died out long ago.

    It's sort of like the paradox of hell, in which those that are willing to go to heaven knowing anyone is burning forever and ever are the very ones that deserve hell. If we're all in this just for ourselves then we have lost ourselves.



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