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    Do you ever get the feeling...

    Post  Admin on Tue May 22, 2012 3:41 pm

    that you've died many times?

    Dave and I have talked about this before.

    In one experience, it was raining and following a late work shift I was driving home. There was a tractor trailer in front of me going far slower than the speed limit and I was getting antsy, so I veered out to check if any cars were coming in order to pass. I couldn't see much because of the heavy rain and I knew that we (the truck and my car) should be coming up to the big bend and I wouldn't be able to pass, so I took the chance and picked up speed. I then noticed the on coming headlights and realized there was another tractor trailer in front of the first one that I was attempting to pass. The next thing that I remember is putting my hands in front of my face for the impact, and then I found myself in the middle of the two trucks and my hands were on the steering wheel.

    Until today, I have no idea what exactly happened.

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    Post  Dravak on Wed May 23, 2012 3:14 pm

    Pre NDE .. so don´t take this a now situation .

    Yeah I had the feeling I lived this life a 1000 (excaggerated number) times already .
    People I meet were so familiar , and every instinct of me wanted to love some , but I rather choose the unknown .

    Best moment that when things became very puzzling , was when I was working in a paper factory , and Had a feeling already had a relationship with the daughter of the boss before .
    All signs were there and hinted we should , well the most stupid thing was , when I was a bit zoned away , she was worried .
    Asked me what was wrong , And I Said you asked that already .
    She denied it , I said ok , behind the garbage can is a dead mouse .
    You will go over there and see a dead mouse and then scream like girly.
    She laughed at me , cause she ain´t afraid of dead mouses or alive ones.
    So fine to comfort me and say I must be joking , she went there and look
    Exactly the thing I told her , happened , she tought it was a joke we planned on her .. but all collegue said no during lunch break , even her dad said no .

    Well what does this story has to do with things you ask .
    Well if I have lived this life so many times , each time with different options , I must have died a lot of times too .
    So here you go Cleo . infact I always try to do opposite of what my dreams or emotions tell me , instead of following that course or path.
    I really like the unknown .

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    Post  Admin on Wed May 23, 2012 11:09 pm

    That's really interesting, Dravak. There's so many similar stories that I myself have heard from people. Those odd moments when you seem to know what's around the corner. Sometimes there are variations enough to where you tell yourself that it was just your imagination and other times, it's so dead on that it brings you to realize that there's a lot more going on than what meets the eye.

    If these experiences are valid, what do you think is happening?

    Do you think that this could be a multi-verse? I know that almost sounds cliche', but it does appear possible and perhaps even probable. Hmm. scratch

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    Post  Dravak on Fri May 25, 2012 3:34 pm

    It is very hard for me to answer that question Cleo , without it getting ulgy and spitefull ... not against me but people against themself.

    Creating new theology , religion , superstition , or anything else that persuade people to abandon there current destiny or faith in life .
    Is not my purpose I know that , thus I shall never reap the rewards most people would have in life .

    Well basically some people already found out that life is a never ending circle , till you reach perfection . that is there idea behind it .
    Something I realise early in my life too , when is perfection reached ?
    That is a question each has to answer for themself .

    But again is just assumption and speculation , not facts Cleo .
    Just something I pieced together in my youth .
    Since I wasn´t fascinated with getting rich , famous , being the best .

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    Post  Admin on Fri May 25, 2012 6:23 pm

    It's been a bit busy for me today, Dravak, as I was trying to get to your posts and then get sidetracked,..ugh.

    Uh, not sure what you're saying in regard to getting ugly and spiteful?

    I have no idea if I have specific purpose. I do know that completing this experience of being this person is important, because this information is essential to understanding this human.

    But as to whether there's purpose may perhaps depend on human interpretations. Purpose seems divided into two categories; Benefit/Detriment, because the species is dependant on survival. If we were alone on a deserted island, our purpose would be to survive, so we see it's rather basic.

    What purpose is there in chaos? As humans we can give purpose and say that the purpose of chaos is to be eventual pattern, and that pattern becomes chaos, but is that purpose, to whom? It seems rather observer based, but what isn't, as an observer?

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    Post  Dravak on Fri May 25, 2012 9:12 pm

    Ah in that way you question why is there evil chaos .. when everything should be heavenly and divine ..

    Well purpose , if that infinite circle of life is true ..
    Am speaking hypothetically , benefit is evolution , detriment is devolution of nobody but yourself and your spiritual being .

    So while one life you want to experience the bliss , that increases your awareness of the world , maybe in another you just want to destroy ...
    In the end do not forget without conflicts there is no progress .
    In too much peace only comes lazyness or euphoria, most peacefull civilisations were the first to go extinct. but too much of either side.
    Too much conflicts , and too much peace is detrimental too .

    See in discussion with one and other , we try to see different points of view , but somehow winning a discussion became so important .
    That we lost the purpose of discussions . to learn to accept or reject.
    See a bit like you do Cleo , you can be a angel whenever you feel like it , and you can be demonspawn from hell , when you are totally focused on something trival .

    So ask yourself what is the demonspawn good for ?
    You know it helps you to get where you want to go .

    Maybe that is more clear example Cleo ?


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    Post  Admin on Fri May 25, 2012 9:34 pm

    I take comfort in chaos because it suggest freedom.

    Heavens and divinities are human made constructs. What sort of heaven would a snake have?

    Snakes are amazing lifeforms as are all lifeforms. A fly chooses and considers. If we take control of a fly by say electrical impulses and make it go up or down, we infringe on its will and that will does not appear to be patterned but free as in chaotic. The will is something that we will never capture, not really. We can think that we now possess such in various creatures that we may be able to manipulate, but that's not true at all. We only manipulate the patterns and never the chaos.

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    Post  Dravak on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:15 pm

    Then Cleo that is so contradictory , if you don´t question nature .
    Then you should never question humanity , since in the end humanity is a bunch of sheeps , all white and pure .

    Some wants to be black for no other reason then cause nature made them so.
    They say genes are inherited , but even now research shows , that everything can be changed trough experiences , trough life .
    It is overcoming the experiences and setback that most either give up.
    Or evolve past the breaking point and set themself new bounderies .

    Some of us are not as fortunate as others , cause the bounderies keep being shifted automatically .
    Yeah maybe we all lived this life a zillion times , and each time like a complex mathematical formula , one slight miscalculations or action.
    Sends you back to the beginning to try again .
    Or it can all be just a joke of nature , to keep life interesting .

    As always to some this might be everything , to most this will be useless rambling .

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    Post  Admin on Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:03 pm

    Question nature? I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly. If that nature can answer back, then sure, I question nature. If we can explore various avenues to find answers by other means, then sure, in many instances we enter such explorations.

    Sheep are sheep, humans are humans, and we are all things and always will be. Being "pure" is a human concept based on ethics and moralities, imo.


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    Re: Do you ever get the feeling...

    Post  Dravak on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:11 am

    Well can answer the the two question you have in one post.

    You ask Seals or anybody are they superstitious ?
    Well everybody believes in luck or bad luck , it is something in all of us and a never proven factor .
    But still people like,hate or acknowledge the factor luck .
    In all history even in great battles , a general once ask I know he is good strategist , but is he a lucky strategist .

    Now why does nature give us something that is already borderline superstitious , without a meaning , Luck can´t be identified in genes.
    Luck can´t be recreated trough any means .
    None that we know off , still people choose to believe in it , or deny and hate it .

    Now substitute luck for karma , jinx , etc (don´t want to get into the murky water stuff) , people strongely believes in it .
    There are many things science still cannot explain .
    Or how come some people able to heal stuff others can´t .

    Same thing is about nature and the concept "pure" , it is all relative what you want it to mean to you .

    Nature is nature for me , pure doesn´t excist in my eyes .
    Let say 1-10 on a scale of in my eyes human purity . I never ever found somebody that is a 10 .
    Maybe a 9 but that is already very low chance , even then a 9 this year doesn´t mean it will be a 9 next year .
    But enough people say they found the 10 .

    Now where do I rate meself on that scale . well maybe a 6-7 .
    While others would rate me 2 or 8, do you understand what I mean with this ?


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    Re: Do you ever get the feeling...

    Post  Admin on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:36 am

    Yup, I think I know what you mean. Everything is relative to the observer? It's basically why we're individualized.

    As far as "luck", hmm, perhaps we should say "hope the probabilities are on your side"? Smile Theoretically a quantum computer will be able to determine the greatest and less probable, so, luck perhaps? Unless what we mean is anomaly or that random wrench that gets thrown into the fan of probabilities, the freak occurence that could only have been considered imposssible, like Anita dying from cancer and than being cancer free and alive. Those types of occurences can't be predicted until they happen, such as, "your chances of dying and coming back to life and being cancer free are now one in seven billion, they may be a few more but we arn't aware of any", that sort of thing.

    I should add; the thing with anomalies is that they are what make this Universe random. If it were a determined Universe than a quantum computer could theoretically predict every occurence, and it won't be able to because of the possibility of anomaly. There's even uncertainty when it comes to observers (biological and mechanical), but I won't get into that right now.

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    Post  DUK on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:21 am

    hmm I dunno Chloe, I always seem to be going through runs of good and bad luck. Razz

    But I also get the feeling that I have lived this life before! I also get the feeling that maybe there are things I am doing different this time round that I didn't do before lol i dunno probably just my imagination... haha

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    Post  Admin on Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:39 pm

    hmm I dunno Chloe, I always seem to be going through runs of good and bad luck.

    But I also get the feeling that I have lived this life before! I also get the feeling that maybe there are things I am doing different this time round that I didn't do before lol i dunno probably just my imagination... haha

    I hear ya, DUK, hee hee.

    It's sort of like the broken link that all the other links are dependant on, in regard to uncertainty. If there's uncertainty then everything rides on that uncertainty and therefore everything is random (we can't actually be sure of anything not even our selves). Luck is just a matter of how the dice fall and even though there's an amount of determinism such as that of the one that throws the dice, there's still the chance that it could land on its edge or never land on the number you've chosen based on its probability to eventually land on that number.

    But that is what infinities are based on. If this were a deterministic world, we'd be able to figure it all out, but we're never going to do that, ever, because it's in constant change, forever. That's the beauty of it. Very Happy

    It's the workings of this all that I'm interested in, or the way these infinities colaborate through interconnectivities.

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