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    Was Jesus Christ good or evil?

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    Was Jesus Christ good or evil?

    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:11 pm

    Let's go on the assumption that he existed. What are your opinions in regard to this religious figure? And, why?


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    Re: Was Jesus Christ good or evil?

    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:32 pm

    This is a conversation that went south real quick. My guess is because I said that I didn't love his god? Anyway...this is the ending portion as he has apparently blocked me from responding (the Sodom and Gommorah threat). I've removed his surname as to protect his identity.





    1:32pm


    Cloe Solis said:

    Park...you see it as righteous when you bring people to believe in your god...but so do others that happen to believe differently. Eventually as it appears inevitable..beliefs clash...and many times horribly.

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    3:06pm

    Park responded:


    Thanks for your response, Cloe. Beliefs often do cause conflict, as seen in the Crusades for example.

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    3:17pm


    Park responded:


    Only thing is though, in my opinion, a true Christian would never resort to violence to get their point across. Many people claim to be Christians when in fact they are Christians in name only.

    I hope you finished successfully moving your daughter in!

    Tomorrow we will be celebrating the accomplishments of one of the most well-known Christians of all time, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Would you not agree that this Christian man did a lot of good for the cause of racial understanding and equality in this nation?

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    4:14pm

    Cloe Solis said:

    Jesus said that he came to bring the sword and put people against one another.

    Honestly...I think that Malcolm X brought a powerful trigger for equality. Many African Americans were unifying not in the name of peace, but in the name of war. The government was forced to intervene...and not only in the South. MLK Jr. , is a tamer look at the past, in my opinion.

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    4:16pm

    Cloe Solis said:

    Pacifism can be extremely dangerous toward survival.

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    Sunday

    8:10pm

    Park responded:


    I agree 110% on your view of pacifism. It would lead to pervasive anarchy if carried out through society at large. Suppose even the police couldn't "take out" a thug trying to kill someone. The Bible, in my view, does not condone pacifism. For instance, when soldiers came to John (Luke 3: 14) the cousin and forerunner of Jesus, when asked what they should do to show repentance, he told them to be content with their pay, not to forcefully take money from anyone, and to not accuse anyone falsely. He said word zero about bailing out of the army because pacifism was what God wanted.

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    8:33pm

    Park responded:


    It's clear to me that you probably know more about what Jesus said than 99.44% of the folks who claim to be his followers. What you said is absolutely true! Here is exactly what he said in Matthew 10: 34-36:

    34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.

    But keep on reading the rest of what he said in the next place...

    37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

    It was costly in Jesus' day for a person to make a break with their Jewish family to follow a rabble-rousing, itenerant preacher claiming to be God. Jesus expected 100% commitment of a person's loyalty to himself. Discord would be the price that a person would have to live with.

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    8:38pm


    Park responded:


    And to top it all off...Jesus hung out with tax collectors and the dregs of society. They LOVED him!

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    11:29pm


    Cloe Solis said:


    It's insane to demand that someone love you...and it is absurdly insane to demand that someone love you more than they do their family. I do not love Jesus...nor would I love any god or anyone more than my children. Threatening people into submission is what cult leaders do...and Jesus (if he actually existed) was a cult leader.

    Love isn't absolute...as it can be lost through such states as dementia or and chemical imbalance. However, it is a biological bonding mechanism that is beneficial toward our survivals...although it can also be detrimental.

    Because love is a means toward survival...it cannot be a substantial afterlife state as survival is no longer necessary once we die or as I like to see it....transfer information. For this god of yours to make such a drastic mistake (demanding to be loved) proves he was not such god.

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    Today

    8:04am




    Park responded:


    How did love evolve?

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    8:32am

    Park said:


    I wish I could retract the question I just asked, Cloe. Don't waste your time responding.


    It was stupid of me to even ask it!

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    9:05am


    Park cont.:


    If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. (Matthew 10: 14-15).
    Cloe, I'm going to obey my Master and "leave this town."

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    Re: Was Jesus Christ good or evil?

    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:36 pm

    I'll give my opinions later (just a little busy lately).

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    Re: Was Jesus Christ good or evil?

    Post  Admin on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:58 pm

    No opinions yet?

    We can use this thread to tear into the various cult leaders.

    This particular cult leader, just so happens to be the most popular in the U.S..

    If you read the new testament, and take it literally...you should easily see the cult tactics. It's really quite remarkable that this religion has planted itself....as it's laughable. However unfortunate that it's been taken seriously.

    What is it about the human mind that seems to need to anthromophosize? Parents? Is it not more exciting to imagine our nature as not human? Cool

    Some in these religions look forward to a dictator...throughout eternity. affraid

    They currently worship the figure in their minds...and they believe that they love it.

    This insanity had given rise to human and animal sacrifices...and wars sanctioned by not even wisps. A notion made manifest in horror.

    It can be assumed substantiated by the influence of benefit...but of what benefit is it if it leads the mind to slavery?

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