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    GHOSTS/APPARITIONS

    Post  Admin on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:31 am

    A few members of my family and some friends and I have seen apparitions. My daughter and I witnessed my neighbor's apparition at his own funeral (hovering several feet above and to the right of the casket near the ceiling). So, something is going on. I just feel that it's not what many of us assume.

    I won't say more until we get this subject rolling.

    What are your opinions about ghosts?

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    Post  Admin on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:46 pm


    This is an interesting video (found out that this site doesn't support TED videos). I'm posting this so we can get past ye ol' "your mind can play tricks on you" in regard to the subject.



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    Post  Admin on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:56 pm


    In the early days of the Society for Psychical Research many researchers investigated reportings of ghosts and apparitions and were seeking a scientific explanation for such phenomena. Some of the psychical researchers had rejected that ghosts were spirits of the deceased and instead claimed ghosts and apparitions were not real entities but were hallucinations caused by a telepathic mechanism. Frank Podmore was a main advocate of the telepathic theory of ghosts, he discussed this theory in his book Telepathic Hallucinations (1909). Other researchers disagreed with the telepathy theory and instead advocated the widely known spirit theory of ghosts, the belief that ghosts are discarnate spirits which was most popular amongst spiritualists.[62]

    The psychical researcher Thomson Jay Hudson also developed his own theory about ghosts which involved telepathy however Hudson did not claim ghosts are hallucinations. Instead he claimed ghosts and apparitions are memories or thoughtforms from the mind of the subject materialising or "projecting" themselves externally. Hudson also explained that where more than one person had visualised the same ghost then it can be explained by telepathic communication.[63] The paranormal writer Paul Roland in his book The Complete Book of Ghosts (2007) argues that ghosts are the "manifestation of people still living, proving that out-of-body experiences are not as rare or as impossible as some people might think".[64]

    Ernest Holmes suggested two explanations for ghosts, that they are spirits of the deceased or a form of thought that can materialize itself then gradually fade away. Holmes wrote that further investigation was needed to prove which explanation is correct.[65]

    According to (Willin, 2005) Peter Underwood favours the "electronic impulse wave theory" which claims brain waves become more active in higher stress rates and that at a certain level will produce a ghost which is a "telepathic image that is capable of being picked up by someone else" and will fade away when people are not experiencing it.[66] The parapsychologist George N. M. Tyrrell argued that apparitions and ghosts were telepathic hallucinations which emanate from the subconscious mind.[67]

    Jeff Danelek in The Case for Ghosts: An Objective Look at the Paranormal (2006) wrote that another explanation of ghosts is the Stone Tape theory which claims that ghosts are collections of energy that can become stored in physical matter which can be released resulting in a display of recorded activity. According to this hypothesis, ghosts are not spirits but simply non-interactive recordings similar to a movie.[68][69] The parapsychologist William G. Roll agreed with the Stone Tape theory, he claimed that a person's mind can create an apparition from "psychic traces" left from the past.[70]

    Paul Devereux claims that many ghost sightings can be explained by "earthlights", clouds of plasma being charged by strong electromagnetic fields occurring in areas of seismic activity, he claims that that such natural phenenoma "can respond to witness movement and thought". He explores these ideas in his book Haunted Land (2003).[71][72]

    The spirit theory of ghosts in recent years has been termed the survival hypothesis and is advocated by some psychical researchers over the other alternative explanations.[
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    Post  DUK on Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:45 pm

    I have personally never seen a ghost (apart from in my dreams). I have however experienced odd occurrences such as at my ex's old old house where we were having lots of strange random weird stuff going on. :S.

    I have heard of the stone tape theory and I guess this would seem more likely if certain "paranormal" phenomena wasn't or didn't appear to be "interactive" to a certain extent.

    I suppose my opinion on ghosts is that it is a phenomena that for me definitely happens but the cause and reason for it is well up for debate.

    I would just like to add that I find it odd that most people have no desire to stay in a building that is supposedly haunted because of fear they have for the potential of seeing a ghost and or freacky stuff!? I would love to see a ghost or any paranormal activity. I feel I would be able to formulate more of an opinion on hauntings/ghosts etc. if I were to see such phenomena.

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    Post  Admin on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:50 pm

    I have personally never seen a ghost (apart from in my dreams). I have however experienced odd occurrences such as at my ex's old old house where we were having lots of strange random weird stuff going on. :S.

    I have heard of the stone tape theory and I guess this would seem more likely if certain "paranormal" phenomena wasn't or didn't appear to be "interactive" to a certain extent.

    I suppose my opinion on ghosts is that it is a phenomena that for me definitely happens but the cause and reason for it is well up for debate.

    I would just like to add that I find it odd that most people have no desire to stay in a building that is supposedly haunted because of fear they have for the potential of seeing a ghost and or freacky stuff!? I would love to see a ghost or any paranormal activity. I feel I would be able to formulate more of an opinion on hauntings/ghosts etc. if I were to see such phenomena.


    We're based in survival, and don't possess any manuals that tell us how or if to defend ourselves against ghosts. They have abilities that we don't have currently. They can walk through our walls, turn rooms cold, and manifest materially to the touch (they can be felt and they can move stuff). These characteristics can be very frightening to a species that isn't as advanced. In particular because we've held the big dog slot for quite some time now.

    These abilities however, imo, should be seen as essentially important to our species. I'll get into it more later,..

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    Post  DUK on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:23 pm

    so do you feel we can develop as a species by studying ghosts/apparitions?

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    Post  Admin on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:36 pm

    so do you feel we can develop as a species by studying ghosts/apparitions?

    Yes, if we dedicate serious study, not these ridiculous setups to get television time in which mediums are used and lighting made to create a spooky scene. All that shows is that the general population or that portion of the general population wants an adrenaline fix.

    The thing with ghosts is that its using technology that we don't currently have and it's been using that technology for thousands of years. That's what science should be interested in.

    If a room is becoming cold and the air-conditioning isn't on, than how are they removing the heat? How are they elevating the cold?

    How can they walk through walls?

    How can they physically move objects or touch us?

    How did they capture the selves of the human being because that is in constant change?

    It appears obvious to me that we have done this before, many many many times.

    Ghosts are proof that we have conquered death.

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    Post  Dravak on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:06 pm

    Here a lot of people saw dead beloved pets (dogs cats etc) appear for a short time to say goodbye to you .
    Especially when you couldn`t be there to say goodbye to them .

    So what are they fiction of your imaginations .
    Or is it some mass illusion and hysteria for everybody to have closure.
    Then why don´t we all see the dead relatives coming back and say goodbye.
    Maybe cause we are always there to say goodbye .

    Ghost interesting subject as always Cleo , only saw one in my life .
    Already told about it , was it real of fiction of my imagination.
    Why people still call that house haunted .
    I don´t know , do I ever want to find out , seriously no .

    But yeah let say those places are all over the world , it isn´t hard to find a so called "haunted house" it simply is a place that makes your hair on your skin crawl , it simply is a place where you know you need to get out of there ASAP .

    Let say if you go to pub , you know it is run by the local gangs or those people who would kill you for no reason other then cause you are don´t belong there . and you know they wouldn´t even be punished by the law .
    Well lets say visit those places first , then go to a haunted house.
    And the intensity of those feelings is trippled.

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    Post  Admin on Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:18 pm

    What that sounds like, Dravak, is that our emotions can be manipulated. Now, hmm, that makes some sense to me, because sometimes just a bump on the head can mess up our abilities as human beings. So, these bodies are fragile in that regard.

    This just came to mind... we watched the movie "Act of Valor" and the extended narrative which explained how the director and producers were baffled at the Seals as they moved through the swamp amongst several water moccasins. These snakes were even swimming through the men's legs and so forth, and the Seals walked through them as if this was ordinary. No fear.

    However, when people report haunted houses, it appears that their emotions are compromised. Those same Seals would by my quess feel the same amount of fear, if they harbor superstition.

    Anyone have an opinion on this?

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