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    Think have lost it a bit after Iand

    Post  Dravak on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:16 pm

    After visiting Iand meeting , I now realise that young people shouldn't be burdened with NDE .
    How wonderfull the feeling , how Isolated the case , it is beter to live and forget till you reach a certain age in society ,
    Where you can fully benefit from it .

    Do not visit one of those meetings , instead of doing more good , those meetings for young people cause more harm.
    And can drive one to the edge of insanity .

    What is beter is to simply accept you are special , if you are lucky enough to get abilities .
    Keep them hidden , abuse them if needed , under no condition report them or tell about it .
    Just smile and learn to trust your instincts , visiting one of those meetings .
    Infact made me realise in my case , how foolishe and utter stupidity rules this world .

    Instead of evolving all they want is , your story , your energy , how they can get richer and pervert a lot of things into material gains ... Or just wrap it up in superb oratory skills .
    Just to have benefit for there own purpose .

    Now am I wrong or did came to the right conclusion ?
    Explains the high amount of suicides among young people suffering from NDE .
    Since the current excisiting support is not set up to handle young people cases , especially those with high amount of ESP , Empathy or Spiritual awareness .

    like the real life says , when you are special learn to act normal , and straigthen those mask even more .

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    Post  Dravak on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:13 pm

    Anybody has anything to add , I do not like the conclusion , I come up with ...
    that is the sad thing , but being in a area where a lot of "special" people are , and being taught a lot of "crap" how justifiable the "crap" , and knowing everybody have there own experience and own reasons .

    It kind of anger me , that instead of making quantum leaps of progress , we maintain more the status quo .
    or make progress at a snail pace , I mean really slow progress .

    It is beter to well do it on your own !
    Just need to learn real life MBA lessons , abuse/use people to your advangetage , never let anything known other then what they have to know to make them semi functioning .

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    Post  Admin on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:03 pm

    I can sympathize, Dravak. I sometimes feel like turning away from the public and not mentioning anything about my experience. It does appear however that each and every time I do such, I end up meeting one of us. Or, something very unusual happens.

    In example...I wrote a science fiction in which I put some of what we know from dying. I always feel weird about possibly exploiting the experience...so I began to doubt what I did, and I decided not to write the prequel and sequels. My husband and children became angry at me and tried to convince me to continue...but I'm rather stubborn and said "I need something paranormal to happen before I'll continue.". That night I heard a voice quite clearly tell me to "read Big Think". Big Think is a science link that sends to my email daily scientific news. Anyway, I have several articles...hundreds. I said "which one?"... and immediately I heard "the first one". I looked down my emails for the first Big Think article and it was addressed to "writers". I read the article and so much in it seemed directed at me. Sooo...I decided to continue on writing the material.

    I have no idea who it was that told me to read the article...but it was far too coincidental to simply disregard.

    Hang in there brother...you'll know when the right time is to open up to this world. Trust in your experience and go into its depths when possible...it doesn't leave you.

    I had my death experience when I was just a kid...and I didn't know any one anywhere that had died and came back to talk about it. Mom and I looked in libraries...and she ordered paranormal magazines for me.

    So...as a child nder, I just accepted it and kept it to myself (other than my mother), and went on with life. Eventually but not for several years, I met others. And now I actually have other family that have had the experience. I've also grown to speak out if and when I choose. But sometimes, I certainly need those reminders that it's okay to share.

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    Post  Dravak on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:32 pm

    thank you Cleo , no I notice the whole support is setup for child NDEer , who have become older , thus more "easier" to manipulate , they just need half truths to get going .
    In a way same as politicians , organisations push you to keep working or making you feel usefull , Till you are burned out .

    problem of NDE being made public , is what happens to the 20-40 people ?
    Those like Lucas or me , or the people you know are lost Cleo .
    The support is not setup to handle them , infact I know most NDEer are tossed in with the older generation , who infact "fear" dying , they are very afraid to go into oblivion , do not see the use of living on .
    Thus the you have to live up to the potential and certain people you still need to meet "myth" .

    While plausible , do not forget if we meet such selfisheness , while we feel "reborn" !
    One cannot be nothing but full of anger and hate , the total opposite of love .
    I am not trying to drag down people , that is not the intent of why I post this .
    But sure give me a beter insight view of lets just screw those we suppose to meet and change...
    Causing a chain reaction , see am a bit in doubt , maybe it is beter to just pretend it didn't happen .
    Till am way past society usefullness , then can join one of those groups , and be merry and happy .

    Or maybe I am different and I always find my own way out of problems , but I cannot help feel sympathy for those who cannot , same reason modern psychiology is not setup to understand and deal with younger NDEer .

    If you still feel the wonderfull bliss feeling of returning to the light , this world is as dark as it is now .
    there isn't much understanding or sympathy or answers given , that are logical or satisfying enough .
    So yes am very happy the older people are there , and still here .
    But at this moment the anger flaring up really badly , dissapointment into people happens , they have there life .
    They have there needs to survive , but what as NDEer , when we don't fear the death and infact welcome it .
    This is the biggest issue after I went to the Iand meeting , nobody has so far a clear answer .

    Best solution I can come up with is , be like child NDEer , and ignore it to be "functioning".
    But am not happy with that solution , it gives nobody what they want in the end ..
    Basically too many missing pieces to the puzzle then ; Since we should be able to compliment eachother .


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    Post  Admin on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:58 pm

    I don't believe that any one on this planet has that answer, Dravak. We just don't fit the psychology models. This isn't dysfunction or psychosis...nor dealings with confabulations.

    No one but others like us can understand. It's sometimes overwhelming, I know...but that's when you can connect with it most deeply.

    Your body has suffered greatly and you have to work at getting it working sufficiently again to cope with this world. That can frustrate anyone. It's like driving a car that only goes right and the engine keeps misfiring...you just want to kick it and let it decay. I know how that feels, brother. I have two disks on my spine that slip on occassion and suddenly I can't walk, and the pain is so unbearable that I need several epidural steroid injections. Doctor said that I need surgery, but I'm on borrowed time (I should have died when I had my last child). So, the way I figure it, is to do what ever I can do...and then it's over, I'm out of here.

    Try focusing on whatever you can do here. Follow your heart...and apply your wisdom to your choices. Most of us don't last very long after our death experiences because our bodies are so messed up. So, do what you can do with whatever time you have left.

    You know that you are extremely important. All your experiences as your human being are greatly appreciated by all.

    Hugs.

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    Post  Admin on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:01 pm

    I'm in between packing, Dravak, because I'm going to spend the rest of this week with my sons.

    If I don't get back to this board tomr...I'm traveling and will try to check in when I get there.

    Hugs.

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    Post  Dravak on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:28 pm

    Don't worry Cleo and thanks for the kind words , go have a nice time with the familie and sons Smile

    Maybe Anita has a answer , if you can contact her for me , would be greatfull .
    Look I know she has a very bussy schedule in life currently .

    But I need as much input from NDE people as possible , before taking actions .
    So look just throw whatever you think in this thread how abyssemal , how much things you shouldn't suppose to say .
    Don't be afraid , of hurting or dissapointing or shaking me awake ....

    Sometimes a simple or complex tought how badly presented or genius can make me see something else .

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    Post  Admin on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:43 pm

    Consider it done...just sent a message to Anita.

    Hang in there...if anyone knows how much the body can suffer before death...it's Anita. My death was thankfully quick from drowning. I don't look forward to dying...death on the otherhand Cool .

    If I can use Anita as an example...she's doing what she can with her time available. You can do whatever you can do, Dravak. No pressure...just live and see what's next.

    Hugs.

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    Post  Admin on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:43 pm

    Dravak...just wanted you to know that I haven't forgotten about you. I sent a message to Anita through facebook as well as her private forum. My guess is that she is extremely busy, as she normally responds quite promptly.

    How are you doing lately? I'd like to hear about your physical difficulties in trying to re-adjust being back into your body?

    My body drowned the first time, but once I was past the initial yucky-ness I was able to use it again normally. The second time as well. The damage to it was my fault as I was helping lift someone into an ambulance when I was in the airforce.

    I too attended an iands conference here in Texas in San Antonio. I arrived on a Sunday (the last day)...so I didn't experience the full conference as you perhaps did. I did however have some paranormal events happen when I was there...

    I brought a little boy nder with me to the conference. He was at that time 9 years old and was given a few months to live with an inoperable brain tumor. The "Make-a-Wish" foundation had already sent him on a trip to meet with the world renowned paleontologist Doctor Robert Bakker. So, time was of the essence...and off we went to the conference to meet with others.

    I stood in line to pay for my ticket and accidently stepped back into Raymond Moody. I appologized and thanked him for what he was doing for the rest of us, and told him that we needed him. He was most gracious and told me "we're all needed", then he gave me a hug. When I reached the front, the lady told me "Oh no, no need to pay, it's free for you"...and was like "hmm...oookaaay...I'm not a speaker or anything?" and she insisted. So in we walked.

    I had no idea what we were to do next, and Daniel (the little boy nder) exhausted very easily. He looked up at me and asked "now what?" I took his hand and spotted Diane Cocoran (Sp?) the president of Iands. I recognized her from a photo I'd seen of her from a publication.

    We walked up to her...and for the life of me I have no idea why I said the next sentences; I asked "Can you show me where PMH Atwater is?" She smiled and told me that I couldn't miss her as she was wearing bright red and had long flowing gray hair. I turned and noticed her immediately. There were several groups that had formed, and Atwaters group was filled and closed by the members forming a tightly closed circle.

    We walked up to her and I said "Excuse me Ms. Atwater...my name is Cloe and this is Daniel. He's been told that the light is Satan. I know that you're about to write a book about child nders...and I thought that you could help." Her eyes opened widely and she asked me "How would you know about that as I haven't even told my family?" Then she smiled and asked the group to open up and get two more chairs. She picked up her purse and took out two small stones (she collects stones from wherever she visits) and put them into his hand and asked him "what do you feel?". He said "they're moving" (they were not quartz). She told Daniel that "yes, you feel their connection to you, they don't know what we know, yet." Then she took out a small gold rose that she had made and gave it to him so that he would remember her.

    A group of nders got together in a private room and we all placed our hands on Daniel and focused on his will to be here awhile longer. We had no idea if it would work, but we felt that we should at least try.

    Daniel returned and told his Doctor (a local brain surgeon here) that he was going to be fine. His Doctor wasn't sure what to make of his new found hope...as Daniel's brain tumor continued to grow rapidly. Then almost suddenly...the brain tumor started to shrink and finally disappeared to the astonishment of his surgeon and everyone that knew him.

    Daniel had told our group that he wanted to live until he knew that his mother could go on...he also wanted to "fall in love" (I know, odd for a nine year old!) and he wanted to experience his eighteenth birthday.

    Daniel died in his sleep a few days past his eighteenth birthday. His mother was remarried and he was mourned by a young lady very much in love with him.

    I'm not sure if we had anything to do with it...but it sure was quite a coincidence!


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    Post  Admin on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:50 pm

    I should also add that I personally asked Daniel's brain surgeon "what happened? How did he die?" and his surgeon answered "we have no idea. Sometimes these things just happen."

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    Post  DUK on Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:04 pm

    Chloe, that was an amazing story and definitely brought a tear to my eye! thank you for sharing :').

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    Post  Admin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:53 pm

    I'm glad that it touched you heart, Duk...he was an extraoridnary young man.

    I was one of the admin. for the Iands forum (it no longer exist). Iands at that time was being taken over by Christian fundamentalists. One in particular became a board member (pretty sure he's still there)...and he demanded my removal.

    The man that was in charge of the programming department and whom gave so much of his time and money toward keeping Iands on the internet at that time (Karl Williamson) supported me, and refused to remove me as admin.. It got really dirty...and in order to stop the dirt flinging...I left. Karl also quit...and the forum collapsed.

    I've been considered controversial because I really did die and I am really an atheist. Laughing

    I very much want the death experience to be taken seriously because there is infinite more behind the curtain. But at the moment and unfortunately it appears to coincide with superstition.

    If only those that promote a god would understand that to do so means the demise of credibility.

    A manufacturer that creates a toy that the manufacturer knows will kill many children is responsible. Not the toy!

    There is no such thing as "free will" IF there is a god, because a god cannot give free will because a god would be that manufacturer. In example; If that god knows that its creation will become a serial killer and makes it anyway, than that god is responsible, and there is no free will, no purpose, no reaon or need to exist. (There is of course free will, it's foundational and why we can't be "absolutely" sure of anything. Cool )

    There are all these nders however out there that keep on promoting an absolute...and they will eventually be seen as charlatans! But they can't seem to get that in their heads. They even write books claiming that there is not only an absolute but that they met the guy!

    They don't appear to realize that with very simple logic and reasoning...their manifestations are idiotic.

    From my point of view, it's frustrating, because I can't get out of this group. I died, and therefore I am what's considered an nder...but heck, I am certainly not proud nor in relationship to any nder that claims an absolute.

    I guess I had to vent. Surprised

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